The English language writers

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The English language writers

Post by Michelle » January 13, 2005, 12:09 pm

I'm thinking about this strange language of ours. Why did whoever created this language spell why as "why" instead of just "y". Did our language come from cavemen mimicking the sounds the decendances of dinosaurs made? Such a mind boggler :shock: . Fascinating stuff... what's everyone's views on where the language came from?

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Post by Ceek » January 13, 2005, 12:22 pm

I can't answer this without being derogatory.
During the last six decades, Cliff Richard has charted many hit singles, and holds the record (along with Elvis Presley) as the only act to make the UK singles charts in all of its active decades (1950s–2000s). According to his website, he has sold 250 million records over the course of his career.

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Post by KGH » January 13, 2005, 2:06 pm

I am with Ceek on this one...

And think the other oddvillers must still be on holiday or would have already said something too...

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Post by kirst » January 13, 2005, 3:30 pm

:shock:

and what the fuck are decendances ?

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Post by Ceek » January 13, 2005, 3:33 pm

Oh kirst you are adorable, decendances are dances of 10. Like a decimal but with dancing. Considering your persuation i thought you would be up to date with the latest dance lingo?

;)

I am glad some people are back from holiday unlikie the ultra lazy .matt who is back but still not at work. Lucky Bastard.
During the last six decades, Cliff Richard has charted many hit singles, and holds the record (along with Elvis Presley) as the only act to make the UK singles charts in all of its active decades (1950s–2000s). According to his website, he has sold 250 million records over the course of his career.

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Post by Michelle » January 13, 2005, 3:41 pm

Lame topic I know. I miss the others... sigh. It's like an empty shopping mall :( But at least I have u guys :D

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Post by kirst » January 13, 2005, 3:41 pm

Oh, THAT kind of decendance, where you also sing Barney songs. :jig:

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Post by kirst » January 13, 2005, 3:47 pm

It's not so much that the topic is lame (although it is, you must be really bored) - it's that it's called "The English Language Writers" - like a bunch of guys got together and thought "Well, there's fuck all on telly, let's write something," and thus was born the English language.



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Post by Ceek » January 13, 2005, 3:54 pm

Yeah you should learn to play chess.

You could always look at some porn?

Tomorrow i will attempt to think of an interesting topic that we can all discuss but it is dead as door nails in here today. I think matt is back on monday maybe he can inspire us back to our old wayz?
During the last six decades, Cliff Richard has charted many hit singles, and holds the record (along with Elvis Presley) as the only act to make the UK singles charts in all of its active decades (1950s–2000s). According to his website, he has sold 250 million records over the course of his career.

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Post by kirst » January 13, 2005, 4:21 pm

I know the rules of chess - I'm just REALLY bad at it... but I also don't really have much inclination to learn.

Porn... no, very boring.

Go home and think of interesting things!

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Post by BadBoy » January 14, 2005, 8:56 am

despite how the topic came about the point is valid - English is a very kak language filled with ambiguity and plain stupidity.

I hate it unfortunately my only other option is afrikaans a better language but not by much

im sure i read somewhere ben franklin did some work on getting the whole english thing right but it did not take off.

im a big supporter of re doing the whole thing and getting it right cos the longer the current system stays in place the more of a it will fuck up.

the more people that speak it with its complexities the more fucked communication in it will be
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Post by masterb » January 14, 2005, 9:10 am

i can't believe this shit got me through last year :?

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Post by kirst » January 14, 2005, 10:10 am

Well, BadBoy, if you want to follow the prescriptive approach to lingusitics, you go right ahead. However, given that it's living people who use language, and that they appropriate words and expressions as they see fit, I think you'll find that language is dynamic and fluid.

How the hell are you going to redo language and get it right? Maybe having language police who beat the shit out of you if you split an infinitive will help? Or maybe you just don't want people to use words from language A in their language B exchanges. Great. Start the trend, and don't use "kak" in an English post, get your punctuation right, and come up with something coherent.

Wait! I've got it! Let's devise a simple language with no grammatical irregularities. We can use vocabulary from some of the major languages that exist now, and draw up something that will catch on like wild fire.

Oh shit, no, they tried that - and Esperanto never really caught on.

And what will we do about issues of national pride attached to language, and social identity linked to dialects and code-switching? Better tell those minority groups who identify through language to discard those notions.

Heil the language Nazis!

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Post by masterb » January 14, 2005, 11:13 am

when scottish people get drunk they can speak english to your face and you still don't understand a word ... louisianen (?) american's , the freaking welsh
it's like a completely different language.

and ebonix is even worse.

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Post by BadBoy » January 14, 2005, 11:30 am

i never said fixing the problem would be easy but fixing it does need

the main problem is that people resist change so the best way would be to make gradual changes to the language (please god start with the spelling)


[qoute] I think you'll find that language is dynamic and fluid.[quote]

if the language was so fluid why do we have dictonaries and institutions enforcing insane rules that will never change and just make the language difficult and plain stupid e.g. studying archaic crap like shakepear ?

fact remains english is a crap language and needs fixing
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Post by Michelle » January 14, 2005, 11:36 am

Guys, I'm bored, entertain me

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Post by BadBoy » January 14, 2005, 12:03 pm

kirst wrote:
Wait! I've got it! Let's devise a simple language with no grammatical irregularities. We can use vocabulary from some of the major languages that exist now, and draw up something that will catch on like wild fire.

Oh shit, no, they tried that - and Esperanto never really caught on.

:roll:
could this be the reason?
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Post by kirst » January 14, 2005, 12:44 pm

I try to avoid protracted arguments with lay-people.

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Post by masterb » January 14, 2005, 1:06 pm

i'll bet your hair gets really messed up on that cloud gay girl

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Post by Mr Dildo » January 14, 2005, 1:09 pm

maybe we should all be forced to learn latin again


Let's think about that.....


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fuck thaat!
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Post by BadBoy » January 14, 2005, 1:42 pm

kirst wrote:I try to avoid protracted arguments with lay-people.
good cos i don like talking 2 self important people who have there heads stuck up there asses who think education is a substitute for intelegence
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Post by masterb » January 14, 2005, 2:23 pm

i wonder too if the literal meaning of fat dyke comes across better in french ...

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Post by Ceek » January 14, 2005, 3:22 pm

French translation is: grosse digue

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Neil est une chienne
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During the last six decades, Cliff Richard has charted many hit singles, and holds the record (along with Elvis Presley) as the only act to make the UK singles charts in all of its active decades (1950s–2000s). According to his website, he has sold 250 million records over the course of his career.

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Post by keepinitneal » January 14, 2005, 4:30 pm

Neil is a dog?

And i object to denigrating Shakespeare.
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Post by BadBoy » January 17, 2005, 10:03 am

missing the point i was not discussing the merits of shakespear just the age of it and by continualy teaching and studying it we are not fostering a cluture of change and hopefully improvement around the lnaguage IMHO

take a brief look at the language and if you can<b>[I AM TOO STUPID TO USE AN APOSTROPHE]</b>t come up with at least 2 logical changes that will vastly improve the language u r nor being honnest
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Post by Ceek » January 17, 2005, 10:22 am

Good call keeping it neal. IT means neil is a bitch. Which is as close as dammit to neil is a dog so well done!!
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Post by MacDaddy » January 17, 2005, 12:53 pm

Reg is wrong in so many ways, so many that I don't even need to say derisive things about his spelling.

To argue that Shakespeare is no longer relevant, when the bulk of our plain and idomatic language derives directly from his plays is nonsense. This is not even taking into account the complex human drama that he portrays, which can never lose it's relevance while we are still human.

English is a language that has developed for thousands of years, taking the best words from as many languages as it could. It evolves constantly, as any language does, but the need for dictionaries is indisputable. How can one propose innovation without a norm from which to deviate?

I don't want to argue about this. Please. I can already feel myself getting angry at such ill-considered suggestions.
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Post by Tenacious B » January 17, 2005, 1:11 pm

no marco you are totally wrong english is irrelevant and shakespeare was a gaylord also english sucks ok

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Post by BadBoy » January 17, 2005, 1:14 pm

Hey the mac is bac welcome bac mac

my spelling = irrelavant

don<b>[I AM TOO STUPID TO USE AN APOSTROPHE]</b>t go getting the story's shakespear told confused with the language he used (and im not too sure about the stories either but that is another flame war) the only thing im trying to say is that english is a kak language becuase it is filled with ambiguity is not logical and makes comunicating more complex than it needs 2 b ( please don<b>[I AM TOO STUPID TO USE AN APOSTROPHE]</b>t make me list eg's )

Id like to c a logical easy 2 use version b4 i die but becuase there are 2 many people who think it is a good language and cling to the past it wont change at least not ant any pace that is detectaable unless u measure in geological time frames
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Post by MacDaddy » January 17, 2005, 1:51 pm

BadBoy wrote: Id like to c a logical easy 2 use version b4 i die but becuase there are 2 many people who think it is a good language and cling to the past it wont change at least not ant any pace that is detectaable unless u measure in geological time frames
So you admit that what you say goes against the weight of considered opinion throughout the world.

I feel fine with that.
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